I really enjoyed this discussion. I find that you are all wonderfully different and thought provoking. I appreciate when you do not agree and explain your thoughts more in depth. And when Lisa asks one of you to say more and expand on your reasoning for something. I find Cori to be very funny. Dry wit and sarcasm. I appreciate that. And I got the USTA tennis ranking! I love tennis too, loved to see an American Woman win the Australian Open and I am a 3.5. 😉. I am often in a dark space as a mom working through this and waiting for the next shoe to drop but this is a nice distraction. I love the individual work that each of you do.
I liked your comments near the end. But my child was captured over 5 years ago, I have written my story over and over and I started out using nice language, I did not see a shift until people started using rough language. Like Lisa’s analogy of getting her child to listen after she screamed. I feel we wasted too much time being nice. I don’t think you can be nice to get the captured people to get it. As a parents we can now blame the government instead of our kids thinking we are the enemy. That’s what happens, the parents who disagree become vilified. I don’t think niceness works.
Re: Cori’s comment about a year being a lifetime for a kid, as a parent stuck in this nightmare (and in contact with many other parents), if you’re talking about a young child, yes, but in the 13-17 range, for this cohort, a year, or two, or three is nothing. There’s a large contingent of these kids who are rigid black and white thinkers. This thing locks onto their brain like a leech. Add to this that they take on a victim identity that’s very sustaining. Combined with encouragement from peers, teachers, clinicians, and non-parent adults, social “transition,” even if it’s just a preferred name and pronoun, effectively keeps them locked in. (Most of the boys I know of only go that far until they’re on magical estrogen.) Add to this that the shame of backing down when you’ve made a big statement about your “identity” and been fussed over is not at all easy for most kids, especially at this time when your transgression will be posted all over social media. Best to just double down and ignore the doubt. And, as mentioned, don’t forget that helpful affirmative therapy. By the time 18 rolls around, they’re primed and ready to go.
The boys you know who go on estrogen: What makes them tick?
Are they autogynephiles, i.e., males who are sexually aroused by the thought of themselves as a woman who is being taken by a man? That can start as an interest in women's clothing and women's ways of doing things.
Are they effeminate gay youngsters who are trying to escape a bad situation by "changing sex"?
Do they have gender dysphoria, or are they just caught up in the trans fad for its own sake?
I haven’t had time to watch this episode yet so i apologize if this is addressed. I just received a link to an article from Seattle reporting a hospital has suspended a scheduled surgery for a 16 year old. The article is full of the usual misinformation about gender affirming care for minors. This is happening all across the country. Now is the time for all hands on deck. Is there an organization other than right wing think tanks that have an information press package that can be sent off to these reports? A coordinated media effort? Back in the day we had press releases ready to go and they’d be sent out once the issue hit the press in any context.
You make a very good point. Two organizations that come to mind are Genspect and the Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine (SEGM). This is the sort of work they should be doing, in my opinion.
Here are a few other tidbits from this week: Brianna Wu, who "transitioned" as a drug addicted adult, recently said, on his X account, "Sex work appeals to some of us who have autogynophilia, because for us, sex work is erotic." He's supposed to be "one of the good ones."
A fact not in the NBC article is that in New York state, the rate of trans identification in 13 to 17 year olds is 3%. This is the highest in the nation. This datum is likely from the NY Board of Health, so it reflects only those getting puberty blockers, hormones and surgeries. There are many, many more not starting the "care" yet, as schools like PS 107 in Park Slope, Brooklyn often have half of the 5th grade girls identifying as "non-binary" or "trans." When you have an ideologue like Cynthia Nixon publicly and proudly losing count how many "trans kids" are in her personal life, this mass psychosis is the result.
I do not object to the word, maiming, in the EO. When girls do "phalloplasty" the forearm is maimed--there's just no other way to describe it.
My take on Cynthia Nixon, who must have graduated from Jane Fonda Political Circus program:
Holy bleep re: Wu’ post! Please send that to The Free Press. I am exceedingly upset that they have embraced him as the ‘reasonable trans sexual’ and some sort of important voice. He is sly. Saying good things to get dems to look over here, while continuing to be sure this crap is being shoved into the back door.
Brian Wu is a savage. He's a bomb-thrower. I don't know whether he was or is gay, but the voice he uses in his writing sure sounds like the stereotypical bitchy gay man who has nothing nice to say about anyone or anything because bitchy is his brand.
In the spirit of making compassionate connection with those who most need to hear your message, it would be great to hear an episode modeling that dialogue. Each of you has valuable insights, I wonder if it's possible to have an episode that avoids any inflammatory language (terms like 'deradicalisation' and imagines what you might say if you could sit down and talk directly to a young person who is trans identified (and as Eliza has documented, may well have doubts of their own about the simplistic 'solution' they have landed on). It wouldn't be a matter of persuading them of course, but of acknowledging that they feel 'something' and that figuring out what 'gender' means to them might be a whole lot more meaningful and productive if it could go beyond simple identity labels and the assumption that changing their body is the path to happiness.
So, this is serendipitous timing with my comment here from a few days ago about "regret," and certainly something I think deserves coverage soon, as breaking news: a WPATH member publicly admitted on twitter that detrans rates are +/- 30%, in spite of a multitude of sources claiming for years that the number is less than 1%. They then received a flurry of attention over this shocking claim and protected their tweets.
Wherein 36% of the individuals never returned to the clinic and were assumed non-regretful, even though gender-affirming care is meant to be a lifelong commitment. It appears they are now acknowledging this 36% number as potentially an indicator that those people became detrans (or worse).
Dr. Amaya (Formerly Robert Edward) Deakins is the source of the X tweet on 30% detransition. This stat could also come from a study in the US on military dependents who went on wrong sex hormones and in the records, appear to have stopped. Deakins has a very strange Facebook page with repeated selfies, apparently seeking compliments, ie, narcissistic fuel. In classic form, he defames his ex-wife at length there as well. Interesting to note that he took down the X tweet.
When censorship doesn't work, silence critics by shaming them. That's the trans activist playbook. Sticks and stones may break bones, but poo sticks to the person who flung it.
So glad to hear you speaking to this! Unfortunately both sides are radicalized, so they each fuel the division. I am grateful to have found your sane conversations, which is what we need more of!
I just had the first person in my social circle refer to this as “the start of a genocide” and I’m just 🤯🤯🤯
I listened to your podcast while sewing purple pants. Your discussions are lively and logical and I appreciate your values and commitment to them so much. I’m a therapist, trying to help some of my clients reality test during these turbulent times. Your podcast helps restore me at the end of a tough work week.
It was at the elections for leaders of the Democratic National Committee. If you search that in youtube, you'll get the clips. They went so far as to have a zee/zir chart up with about a dozen alternative pronouns. A dude announced his non-binary status as a qualification for running for Vice Chair. He got zero votes, after a convoluted process where the outgoing leaders had to pause a few times to figure out the components of 6.
I so appreciate all the information and would love to join or subscribe to so many places and people. Unfortunately none of the good therapist take insurance and the amount of money we are spending to try to save our 21 year old son makes this impossible. Hopefully there will be some sort of plan to keep cross sex hormones away from young adults and people in general suffering from mental illness
I wish all the best for you. If there's any convincing him to change his schedule of online time, he will be able to start clearing his head. I helped a confused teen boy out of the rabbit hole by suggesting an exercise routine called Primal Fitness, which he liked. Time outside is also very important. And time with the family, away from influencers in his social circle. Probably not easy with a 21 year old. I blog about this at uteheggen.substack.com
Here are the 5 questions to ask a teen (or adult) confused about their sexed body's connection to the psyche. 1. Do you want a healthy body? (what is that?) 2. Do you want a clear, uncluttered mind? (what is that?) 3. Do you want a connection between your healthy body and clear mind? 4. Do you think a focus on helping others might be good for you? 5. Do you know how to focus on aspirations you can fully achieve and do you know what aspirations are out of your scope? We are tasked with the work of the psychologists and psychiatrists, because they have abdicated on the "trans" thing. Note that Dr. Amaya (formerly Robert Edward) Deakins has now posted, as a clinical psychologist, that the detransition rate is at least 30%? BTW, he uses his Facebook account to repeatedly post his self-portrait photos, seeking affirmation that he's "beautiful," and he uses his page to defame the mother of the children he fathered, all while claiming she's not only "an addict" but also many months behind in the child support that he, a PhD psychologist is supposed to get from her. Scroll through this grifter's page. Someone ask Brianna Wu (formerly John Walker Flynt) to interpret Deakins' messages to the world about his ex-wife. I'll soon be posting the rants at uteheggen.substack.com
One of the first things you learn in union organizing is that you have to make it as easy as possible for people to join and members to get involved. You don’t have to make “all the points.” I definitely think about this when it comes to TRAs and stepping back, not doing a sling shot back and forth depending on who’s President.
I really enjoyed this discussion. I find that you are all wonderfully different and thought provoking. I appreciate when you do not agree and explain your thoughts more in depth. And when Lisa asks one of you to say more and expand on your reasoning for something. I find Cori to be very funny. Dry wit and sarcasm. I appreciate that. And I got the USTA tennis ranking! I love tennis too, loved to see an American Woman win the Australian Open and I am a 3.5. 😉. I am often in a dark space as a mom working through this and waiting for the next shoe to drop but this is a nice distraction. I love the individual work that each of you do.
I liked your comments near the end. But my child was captured over 5 years ago, I have written my story over and over and I started out using nice language, I did not see a shift until people started using rough language. Like Lisa’s analogy of getting her child to listen after she screamed. I feel we wasted too much time being nice. I don’t think you can be nice to get the captured people to get it. As a parents we can now blame the government instead of our kids thinking we are the enemy. That’s what happens, the parents who disagree become vilified. I don’t think niceness works.
Re: Cori’s comment about a year being a lifetime for a kid, as a parent stuck in this nightmare (and in contact with many other parents), if you’re talking about a young child, yes, but in the 13-17 range, for this cohort, a year, or two, or three is nothing. There’s a large contingent of these kids who are rigid black and white thinkers. This thing locks onto their brain like a leech. Add to this that they take on a victim identity that’s very sustaining. Combined with encouragement from peers, teachers, clinicians, and non-parent adults, social “transition,” even if it’s just a preferred name and pronoun, effectively keeps them locked in. (Most of the boys I know of only go that far until they’re on magical estrogen.) Add to this that the shame of backing down when you’ve made a big statement about your “identity” and been fussed over is not at all easy for most kids, especially at this time when your transgression will be posted all over social media. Best to just double down and ignore the doubt. And, as mentioned, don’t forget that helpful affirmative therapy. By the time 18 rolls around, they’re primed and ready to go.
The boys you know who go on estrogen: What makes them tick?
Are they autogynephiles, i.e., males who are sexually aroused by the thought of themselves as a woman who is being taken by a man? That can start as an interest in women's clothing and women's ways of doing things.
Are they effeminate gay youngsters who are trying to escape a bad situation by "changing sex"?
Do they have gender dysphoria, or are they just caught up in the trans fad for its own sake?
I haven’t had time to watch this episode yet so i apologize if this is addressed. I just received a link to an article from Seattle reporting a hospital has suspended a scheduled surgery for a 16 year old. The article is full of the usual misinformation about gender affirming care for minors. This is happening all across the country. Now is the time for all hands on deck. Is there an organization other than right wing think tanks that have an information press package that can be sent off to these reports? A coordinated media effort? Back in the day we had press releases ready to go and they’d be sent out once the issue hit the press in any context.
You make a very good point. Two organizations that come to mind are Genspect and the Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine (SEGM). This is the sort of work they should be doing, in my opinion.
https://genspect.org/
https://segm.org/
Here are a few other tidbits from this week: Brianna Wu, who "transitioned" as a drug addicted adult, recently said, on his X account, "Sex work appeals to some of us who have autogynophilia, because for us, sex work is erotic." He's supposed to be "one of the good ones."
A fact not in the NBC article is that in New York state, the rate of trans identification in 13 to 17 year olds is 3%. This is the highest in the nation. This datum is likely from the NY Board of Health, so it reflects only those getting puberty blockers, hormones and surgeries. There are many, many more not starting the "care" yet, as schools like PS 107 in Park Slope, Brooklyn often have half of the 5th grade girls identifying as "non-binary" or "trans." When you have an ideologue like Cynthia Nixon publicly and proudly losing count how many "trans kids" are in her personal life, this mass psychosis is the result.
I do not object to the word, maiming, in the EO. When girls do "phalloplasty" the forearm is maimed--there's just no other way to describe it.
My take on Cynthia Nixon, who must have graduated from Jane Fonda Political Circus program:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i18yDxLYUYY
Holy bleep re: Wu’ post! Please send that to The Free Press. I am exceedingly upset that they have embraced him as the ‘reasonable trans sexual’ and some sort of important voice. He is sly. Saying good things to get dems to look over here, while continuing to be sure this crap is being shoved into the back door.
Brian Wu is a savage. He's a bomb-thrower. I don't know whether he was or is gay, but the voice he uses in his writing sure sounds like the stereotypical bitchy gay man who has nothing nice to say about anyone or anything because bitchy is his brand.
And "sex work" is prostitution.
Agreed. We have to expose the charlatans. I know. My ex-husband is just like him.
In the spirit of making compassionate connection with those who most need to hear your message, it would be great to hear an episode modeling that dialogue. Each of you has valuable insights, I wonder if it's possible to have an episode that avoids any inflammatory language (terms like 'deradicalisation' and imagines what you might say if you could sit down and talk directly to a young person who is trans identified (and as Eliza has documented, may well have doubts of their own about the simplistic 'solution' they have landed on). It wouldn't be a matter of persuading them of course, but of acknowledging that they feel 'something' and that figuring out what 'gender' means to them might be a whole lot more meaningful and productive if it could go beyond simple identity labels and the assumption that changing their body is the path to happiness.
So, this is serendipitous timing with my comment here from a few days ago about "regret," and certainly something I think deserves coverage soon, as breaking news: a WPATH member publicly admitted on twitter that detrans rates are +/- 30%, in spite of a multitude of sources claiming for years that the number is less than 1%. They then received a flurry of attention over this shocking claim and protected their tweets.
Here is what their tweet said before it was hidden: https://i.imgur.com/fB0MryP.png
As an example, here is one set of responses to the tweet before it was hidden: https://x.com/CV_Dalcher/status/1885923430576394411
This is actually in line with what has been noted regarding one of the primary studies I mentioned:
https://www.senaat.eu/9370000/1/j4nvi0xeni9vr2l_j9vvkfvj6b325az/vl1om6kqo2ye/f=/vl1om6kqo2ye_opgemaakt.pdf
Wherein 36% of the individuals never returned to the clinic and were assumed non-regretful, even though gender-affirming care is meant to be a lifelong commitment. It appears they are now acknowledging this 36% number as potentially an indicator that those people became detrans (or worse).
Dr. Amaya (Formerly Robert Edward) Deakins is the source of the X tweet on 30% detransition. This stat could also come from a study in the US on military dependents who went on wrong sex hormones and in the records, appear to have stopped. Deakins has a very strange Facebook page with repeated selfies, apparently seeking compliments, ie, narcissistic fuel. In classic form, he defames his ex-wife at length there as well. Interesting to note that he took down the X tweet.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/03/nyregion/ny-attorney-general-transgender-care.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
This EO was a promise made to the Christian nationalist. Win the battle, lose the war.
When censorship doesn't work, silence critics by shaming them. That's the trans activist playbook. Sticks and stones may break bones, but poo sticks to the person who flung it.
So glad to hear you speaking to this! Unfortunately both sides are radicalized, so they each fuel the division. I am grateful to have found your sane conversations, which is what we need more of!
I just had the first person in my social circle refer to this as “the start of a genocide” and I’m just 🤯🤯🤯
I listened to your podcast while sewing purple pants. Your discussions are lively and logical and I appreciate your values and commitment to them so much. I’m a therapist, trying to help some of my clients reality test during these turbulent times. Your podcast helps restore me at the end of a tough work week.
❤️❤️❤️
"You can't save them..." Long awkward pause.
What a weird ass thing to say.
But true
The Democratic Party endorsed validating non-binary as a 3rd category YESTERDAY
The party or A Democrat? Do you have a link? I couldn't find anything
It was at the elections for leaders of the Democratic National Committee. If you search that in youtube, you'll get the clips. They went so far as to have a zee/zir chart up with about a dozen alternative pronouns. A dude announced his non-binary status as a qualification for running for Vice Chair. He got zero votes, after a convoluted process where the outgoing leaders had to pause a few times to figure out the components of 6.
I so appreciate all the information and would love to join or subscribe to so many places and people. Unfortunately none of the good therapist take insurance and the amount of money we are spending to try to save our 21 year old son makes this impossible. Hopefully there will be some sort of plan to keep cross sex hormones away from young adults and people in general suffering from mental illness
I wish all the best for you. If there's any convincing him to change his schedule of online time, he will be able to start clearing his head. I helped a confused teen boy out of the rabbit hole by suggesting an exercise routine called Primal Fitness, which he liked. Time outside is also very important. And time with the family, away from influencers in his social circle. Probably not easy with a 21 year old. I blog about this at uteheggen.substack.com
Here are the 5 questions to ask a teen (or adult) confused about their sexed body's connection to the psyche. 1. Do you want a healthy body? (what is that?) 2. Do you want a clear, uncluttered mind? (what is that?) 3. Do you want a connection between your healthy body and clear mind? 4. Do you think a focus on helping others might be good for you? 5. Do you know how to focus on aspirations you can fully achieve and do you know what aspirations are out of your scope? We are tasked with the work of the psychologists and psychiatrists, because they have abdicated on the "trans" thing. Note that Dr. Amaya (formerly Robert Edward) Deakins has now posted, as a clinical psychologist, that the detransition rate is at least 30%? BTW, he uses his Facebook account to repeatedly post his self-portrait photos, seeking affirmation that he's "beautiful," and he uses his page to defame the mother of the children he fathered, all while claiming she's not only "an addict" but also many months behind in the child support that he, a PhD psychologist is supposed to get from her. Scroll through this grifter's page. Someone ask Brianna Wu (formerly John Walker Flynt) to interpret Deakins' messages to the world about his ex-wife. I'll soon be posting the rants at uteheggen.substack.com
One of the first things you learn in union organizing is that you have to make it as easy as possible for people to join and members to get involved. You don’t have to make “all the points.” I definitely think about this when it comes to TRAs and stepping back, not doing a sling shot back and forth depending on who’s President.