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Richard Herrell's avatar

Fries? Baked? Mashed?

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moximc's avatar

In the UK people can acquire 'Gender Recognition Certificates' which legally change their sex for most purposes after a 2 year application process which checks for a medical diagnosis and evidence of social transition. I asked Brianna Wu on X whether this is the kind of thing they want, and they liked the post. I understand this position, but it isn't supported by either people who advocate self-ID or by people who want spaces segregated by sex, and so it's hard to see how it gains any political traction. Wu's vision of (and envy for) hot puberty blocked transwomen with great hair and nails reminds me of Ray Blanchard's 'pseudobisexual' autogynophiles, where the person is in love with themselves as a woman and gets validation from being the focus of male heterosexual desire.

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Burnie's avatar

So disappointing to hear about The Free Press and Brianna Wu. Ben, I hope they do have you on, and I plan to write to them and ask them to do so.

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MoabKiley's avatar

I SO LOVE this podcast!

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Cecilia Caporossi's avatar

'Taters?' What's 'taters,' precious?? - me to Brianna Wu

Feeling the same way about Brianna Wu being feted by the FP. I try really hard not to become prejudiced in any way towards people who identify as trans, since it's the beliefs and politics I object to, not the human being or their experience. But to be honest, I don't think I've ever encountered a trans activist who believed in the ideology for themselves, who could also combat it effectively. This is true of all so-called "GC" trans activists who still go by their trans name and pronouns exclusively. I'm sorry, but you can't combat a cult if you're still a full adherent.

Can't wait to watch the meeting!

Also, I think it's unrealistic to expect male individuals who have transitioned to ever be able to use the men's room. I don't think they belong in the women's at all, but I think third gender spaces are important to avoid them being the victim of targeted attacks- I firmly support trans-identifying people to use the unisex/"family" style bathrooms. I agree though that this should be discussed as the men's issue it is. Think about prisons: There are women's prisons. And then there are many different tiers of men's prisons based on the comparatively huge capacity of male violence. Because you can't put a relatively normal, non-violent guy in with a violent man. It's a human right's abuse. I do think it's "funny" though how men mistreat women so consistently throughout human history yet still turn to us to solve their own problems. Like, y'all never considered a men's rights movement to address male violence in public facilities, in restrooms, or in other spaces towards vulnerable men? Guess that's your fault, then, bc that ball is firmly in your court. People who have special bodily issues (be it a wheelchair, or that their body looks gender-ambiguous due to natural reasons or that they were given sham medical treatments for gender dysphoria, deserve safety and privacy from harassment. I would happily hold a picket sign for single-stall, unisex handicap/special-needs spaces in addition to the women's and men's facilities, but no man has ever asked me to. *shrugs*

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KPL's avatar

Just wanted to thank you again for the podcast. It’s the highlight of my week-which is weird-because it’s often covering such sobering topics. Please keep up the conversations! They are needed & your rapport is ✨.

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Ben Appel's avatar

So glad you’re enjoying it!

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KPL's avatar

I am glad to know I’m not the only one who was meh on the new Free Press show.

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Ex-woke Mom's avatar

Cori displayed an-all-too rare maturity in the face of the protestors. Thank you for being an example of what is needed - on all sides!! - to move the needle forward in protecting women and children.

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Jennifer Rogers's avatar

I watched the CEC D2 meeting. Lisa, Ben, and Cori were excellent! That was a masterclass in effectively dealing with hostility.

Love this podcast and look forward to the next episode.

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dollarsandsense's avatar

I watched part of the school committee meeting and found the hostility just so unnerving. Four people who I respect so much, who are so smart and articulate, being treated with such contempt to their faces, I couldn’t get through it.

Maybe that’s why I’m not an activist—just not brave enough to face down the yelling. I was so impressed by your composure. Perhaps, as Cori noted, it gets easier with experience.

(BTW, I am a former District 3 parent thankful that my child went to NYC public schools before this stuff took over.)

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dollarsandsense's avatar

I’ve been following both Wu and Hanania for a little while. I’ve been curious to watch their evolution as people willing to break ranks with their tribes. (I have always liked to follow people with contrasting viewpoints—helps me test my own thoughts about an issue.)

But I couldn’t bring myself to watch their love fest. Hanania is now talking about how great transwomen are (well, the visually feminized ones). Wait, what?

It makes me wonder if either of them have any principles at all. What is driving them? I’m all for people changing their minds (I’ve changed mine on many issues) but I wonder if they are merely manipulating ideas for attention.

Okay, okay, yes.

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HS's avatar

Excellent podcast on a muddled subject matter. Thank you for shedding light on this.

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Julia Mason MD's avatar

There is a cheerful example of an effeminate little boy who was told "it's OK for you to wear dresses, it's OK for you to dance with the girls" and was not told that his unusual preferences mean he is really a girl: he goes by "Boss Baby Brody" on Instagram. He lives in southern California.

He's maybe 8 years old now and he no longer wears dresses, but when he was a toddler he glommed onto his older sister's old princess costumes and danced. His mom was already trying to be sort of a mom influencer and she celebrated him and posted videos of him dancing on social media.

She got grief from people telling her that she had a trans girl and needed to change his name and she got grief from people telling her that she should not allow her son to wear dresses. She ignored them all, she let Brody do what he wanted. He wore dresses and grew his hair out sort of from age 2-5, but he didn't always dress like a girl.

At 5 he went to kindergarten, and that's when he started to drop the really girly things like bows in his hair and skirts. He kept dancing and his style simply became "fabulous." I've been following him on Instagram for probably 5 years now. https://www.instagram.com/bossbabybrody/

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Ben Appel's avatar

Interesting! Didn't know about this family. Clicked on the link and was so glad not to see pronouns in the bio!

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Hippiesq's avatar

That's what we need more of!

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Miki's avatar

I can't tell you how grateful I am for this podcast. The emergence of transgender ideology alongside a system of brutal enforcement mechanisms designed to get us to praise annihilation of our (sexed and sexual) being is absolutely terrifying.

Every single discussion of "transgender" with respect to children should include their being rendered PERMANENTLY INCAPABLE OF ORGASM by the crimes against humanity institutions are hawking as "treatment." That's even before you factor in infertility, induced disability and a drastically foreclosed lifespan. "Meaning well" means nothing here--"compassion" leading to butchery is worse than indifference.

I stand with women, with lesbians and gay men, with autistic people and children--with moms and dads, sons and daughters who oppose this lunacy.

As a 64-year-old reader of history I find myself thinking about some of the gentlefolk who were seniors when Hitlerism started to bubble through Europe: shocked and appalled at what the latest generation imagines to be "progress."

Thank you, thank you for your voices. You give me hope.

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Ben Appel's avatar

Really appreciate this. Thank you.

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Randall Sawyer's avatar

Genderism appears to be the "love child" of Margaret Sanger and Edward Bernays:

Eugenics + Identitarianism. The movement sells ELECTIVE STERILIZATION under the brand "gender affirming care".

See: "POPULATION: The Birth of Control" (https://youtu.be/O_kIW1-M504) and

"Century of the Self" (https://youtu.be/eJ3RzGoQC4s)

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dollarsandsense's avatar

Whether or not they fathered (mothered?) transgenderism, it’s clear these ideas have deep roots—which makes the battle against them so difficult.

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Randall Sawyer's avatar

I take the edict "By their fruits you shall know them." to be consistently and practically useful. For example, I have used this to identify Karl Marx and his resentful ramblings to be those of an unrepentant alcoholic.

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Randall Sawyer's avatar

I do not believe that Sanger and Bernays literally set out to establish genderism. I am merely using their personae as figureheads for the ideologies and tactics of *eugenics* and *identitarian PR*.

My point is that at some point it occurred to those possessed with the ideology of eugenics to deploy (voluntary) sterilization through a Bernays type marketing blitz.

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Dom's avatar

Quick thought about the bathroom issue.

I absolutely agree that men should be totally welcoming of all men, however they identify, or whatever their presentation (including very feminine men, and trans-identifying men)

However, the problem is that many 'trans-women' DON'T WANT to go into the men's.

They don't go into the women's bathroom cos they feel unsafe in the men's (even though that is often the excuse they give).

They go into the women's, cos it's their deepest desire to be accepted as a woman.

So, in the end it really doesn't make any difference how open or accommodating men are.

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Ben Appel's avatar

Good point.

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